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Does The Golden Rule apply to foreign policy?

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I've struggled with this question for a long time. I've rejected what I felt was right for what I was told had to be.

We all agree with The Golden Rule in our personal relationships - treat others like you would like to be treated. Does that apply to our foreign policy.

For example, as per our conversation on our involvement with Iran since 1953, what if the tables were turned? What if Iran overthrew our government 50 years ago and installed a dictator? What if Iran trained a secret police which killed your parents because they spoke out against the dictator? What if Iran gave money and intelligence to Mexico so they could attack America and kill half a million Americans (10 times as many Americans who died in Vietnam)? What if Iran led sanctions against America so we couldn't trade abroad?

I'd be ticked off at Iran. Does the Golden Rule not apply? If not, why not?

The thing that I've always wondered about is military bases. We have 900 military bases in 130 countries. Imagine if Camp Pendleton was a Chinese military base. Imagine if Coronado was a Saudi Arabian base, Miramar was owned by the British and Pt. Loma by the Canadians. I'd be pretty ticked off at all of these countries. So why is it okay that we have military bases in their countries?

If it is okay, that's fine. I just want to know why so we can justify it properly. If it's not okay, then we have to look in the mirror and figure out the best way to defend America.

We talked about this at 7:00:

http://media.worldnow.com/kfmbam/podcast/the_mike_slater_show_5982.mp3

At 8:00 we talked some more specifics with Bruce Fein, author of American Empire Before the Fall:

http://media.worldnow.com/kfmbam/podcast/the_mike_slater_show_5983.mp3

SOME SLATERCRUSADER E-MAILS THIS MORNING:

 

Jamie:

"Here's my response: no.

Here's why: This can only work if the "others" share values and goals. Just because I believe something is just or "the right thing to do" doesn't guarantee the "others" believe the same thing. Both sides must share the end-game. Furthermore, it also assumes that both sides start from the same (or equivalent) places. For example, "Charlie, don't hit your brother because you wouldn't want him to hit you, right?" only works because they are in the same family and have the common goal of peace and harmony in the family. BUT, if Charlie's brother doesn't care about the family, when Charlie doesn't hit him, the brother could very well take advantage of the situation and take all of Charlie's toys (after he hits him...twice!)

Thanks, Mike, for making me think :)

 

Bill:

"if you exist in a world where other nations have no desire to implement the golden rule and only wish to destroy you, you must modify your beliefs accordingly.  Perhaps the new rule is to treat all nations as we believe they will (or have) treated us.
 
Another aspect is the potential calamity we could suffer for not being strong and vigilant.  Pearl Harbor, as bad as it was, would be a drop in the water compared to the damage from a nuclear, biological or chemical attack on one of our cities.

I realize this could lead to a never ending circle of mistreatment, but there seems no reasonable alternate to handling unreasonable nations. As long as there are nations who are willing to  commit such actions we need to continually re-evaluate how we apply our core beliefs."

 

Drew:

Listening to your segment with Ron Paul's policy adviser and realized why Rep. Paul is absolutely not qualified to be POTUS.  He has a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature.  He believes that we have enemies abroad, especially radical Islamic enemies, because we have our troops on foreign soil or because we project our power with foreign troop deployments.  In certain cases he may be correct but the most part those people that hate us and attack us do so because of what we stand for which is liberty (and not their brand of radical control over their people).  If we brought every single troop home, closed every single foreign military base, we're still going to have our people traveling the world as tourists exhibiting Western values (e.g.: capitalism and all it represents good and bad) which is the true source of the hate.  Our enemies hate us because our culture makes oppressed people realize what they DO NOT have which is liberty but can be represented by material goods, wealth, opportunity, etc.  This is threatening to autocratic and communist regimes because it awakens the longing for liberty that has been endowed in every person by our Creator.  This is simply a function of human nature, it's the way we're made and nothing can change that and as long as Ron Paul refuses to recognize this simple fact, he will not be able to understand why our enemies hate us.
 
Keep up the good work Brother!

 

David:

Mike, I love your show.

In Bruce's interview today, you guys dismissed a preemptive military policy
as a "slippery slope". But isn't all defense preemptive?

For example, I purchased a handgun and told my wife that I would only use it
to *defend* our family. My wife says: OK, so long as you never use it preemptively,
(because that's a slippery slope). But even the most completely defensive use *is*
preemptive - If a criminal murders my neighbor, then comes running into our yard,
he still hasn't show us any aggression at all (he might be coming over to discuss
philosophy). And even if he is carrying a gun with him - after all he has a right to
carry a gun, just as I do.

The example may seem extreme, but doesn't it exactly parallel the case of foreign
tyrants, who attack one country after another, arm themselves with weapons that
can obliterate millions, and declare their intent to take us down?

So I agree that "once you adopt a policy of preemption, you're on a slippery
slope" - but it seems to me that the answer to that is that preemption is a necessary
component of any realistic defense - and to avoid the "slippery slope" we need
good judgement regarding what is or is not an immanent threat.

Btw, I listen to your show from Los Angeles - so often I can barely get the signal on
my radio - but even with all the static, your show is the best. Thank you.

 

Jon:

It is with great interest I've been listening to your broadcasts the past couple of days – particularly regarding the historical recount of our relations with Iran.
 
I married a Persian woman – eleven years and counting – so this tale of woe you've been detailing is no surprise to me. Most Iranians seem to direct their ire at the US, in my experience, and less at Britain. It saddens me to think about Ike colluding with the English to do such damage to a sovereign nation.
 
Your rundown of the situation is SPOT-ON. I love our country and I do not like to say things about us that are negative – but love is tough sometimes and requires honesty. There's no way to fix our ills and move past these things without honesty. Even then, it's going to take a long time for us to regain any kind of deep, lasting trust from some of those folks. We're not anywhere near a point where we can expect any kind of true respect.

Anyway Mike, I really appreciate your thought-provoking subjects and discussions. Please keep up the good work.

 

 

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